Friday, January 13, 2012

Opposing Perspective: Why the Mariners Traded Pineda

"Who do I play for?"
I've always enjoyed reading USA Today while I eat lunch, and among my favorite pieces is the weekly arguments they stage between high profile members of the conservative and liberal political establishments.  No matter their points, the bickering continues without fail thanks to the fact that it cannot be proven that one side's view is better than the other.

In much the same way, the Michael Pineda trade has no right answer right now.  In terms of talent, it is more or less a straight wash: the Mariners got the best young player the Yankees have and a solid starting pitcher prospect for the (arguably) best young player the Mariners have and a solid starting pitcher prospect.  The question here cannot really be solved, but all in all people seem pretty beat up about this.  Understandable, I know, as Pineda was a bright spot last season and everybody likes dreaming about what young guys could become (remember Jeremy Reed?  Damn him).

However, don't be swayed by such poppycock as Kevin.  What credentials does he have, besides the exact same ones I do?  Regardless, the Pineda trade is something to feel good about.  Pineda had a great rookie year by all accounts, and probably should have been the Rookie of the Year if people looked a bit deeper than they did (Jeremy Hellickson?).  However, not to say he'll blow up, but young pitchers are fairly dangerous.  The list of guys to come out with a strong rookie year, only to hurt themselves some and never pitch again or become a shell of themselves is endless.  Pineda faded a lot during the second half too, something that, regardless of whether his arm was tired or whether batters were adjusting, is worrisome for his future development.  Keep in mind, his ERA jumped a whole point over his last 12 starts, which, even with it ending at only 3.73, is definitely a cause for worry.

His replacement in the Mariner's rotation, Hector Noesi, certainly isn't the strikeout pitcher that Pineda is (few are), but he is a solid option and not a ridiculous downgrade.  Noesi has a higher HR/FB percentage at 10.2, something that very easily could drop thanks to Safeco's lovely confines rather than Yankee Stadium's ridiculousness, and the reverse may be true (though I doubt it thanks to his strikeouts) for Pineda.  Essentially, we got a league average pitcher back in Noesi, which in Safeco often ends up looking a whole hell of a lot better (on a side note, I really miss Doug Fister.  Man, that guy has become quite a pitcher).

All this, and we haven't even mentioned Jesus Montero, the prize for the Mariners.  Simply put, he can hit the ball as well as anybody.  For a few years now, he has been the best ranked hitting prospect in baseball, and he hasn't disappointed.  The guy came up to the Yankees as a 21 yr. old and had a 165 wRC+ (100 is league average).  He will definitely drop off at least a little this season from his crazy call-up numbers, but even so Bill James sees him as a .289/.351/.505 hitter with 26 homers for this upcoming season, and I would love to have that on our roster, be it as a terrible catcher or solid DH.  Sure, he will take time away from Carp, Smoak, and Wells in various capacities, but Smoak has done very little to impress me and I doubt all three of them will become good enough players to be starting full time anyway.  If we get lucky, maybe GMZ is looking to move on of them (or Trayvon Robinson) for a third baseman so we can make Seager the Mark McLemore-type he should be.

There is definitely potential for this trade to backfire.  Montero could get fat and worthless.  Pineda could become one of the best pitchers in baseball in its biggest market.  That random 18 yr. old we traded could become even better (its technically possible).  All in all, however, its not a bad return for Pineda and a gamble I'm willing to live with.

5 comments:

  1. I agree with your point that we cant come to a conclusion about this trade until we have seen the performances of Montero and Pineda with their new teams. Most trades should not be judged in finality until a few years have past. Sometime around 2014 we should look back on this and see how we feel than.

    The one exception is deadline trades for a rent-a-player. These are judged as success or failure based on the teams post season success.

    With that being said I am still not a big fan of this trade.

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  2. It certainly sucks to have lost Pineda because by all accounts he will be a league-average at worst starter barring any injuries, and its tough to get excited about somebody that's probably just a DH. Pitching is just so easy to find in Safeco though that it seems like at least a passable decision.

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  3. Kevin, you should also consider that the conventional wisdom of baseball is probably on the side of the M's. The relative value of starting pitchers in general just isn't the same as it used to be. These days you only ask your starter to take you 6 innings into the game before you put in a reliever. And then you put in a reliever for the reliever the next inning. And then you do another inning of a few lefty-righty relievers. Finally, you put in the closer.

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    1. I disagree with you statement that the relative value of a starting pitcher isnt the same as it used to be. I would say that a mediocre starting pitcher’s value has diminished. However, the value of top of the rotation pitchers is as high as ever. MLB teams place a huge value on starting pitchers that can go deep into games and dominate opposing teams. That is why teams will trade away huge packages for a half season of an ace pitcher at the trade deadline. It is also why guys like Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, CC Sabathia all had huge paydays when they hit the free agent market. It is also why guys like A.J. Burnett and Carl Pavano get way overpaid. Teams are hoping they might turn into that ace.

      If you see Michael Pineda as a future mediocre major league pitcher than this trade was fine. If you see him as a perennial all-star the Yankees got a steal.

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